Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Unlawful website blocking

I went online to use multiple websites and found that Telstra is blocking them, there is no lawful reason behind these blocking because no DMCA notice has been sent to Telstra for the content on these websites and even if there was a request Telstra has not attempted to contact the owners or administrators to have the request actioned.


 

A chat board like 4Chan and 8Chan has no video to require a DMCA request and Reddit is currently hosting the same content as 4Chan and 8Chan so I would reasonably think that you should be blocking Reddit for the same reason you are blocking the rest of these websites.


These websites have been blocked and the community is outraged.

voat.co
4chan.org
8ch.net
liveleak.com
archive.is
bitchute.com
zerohedge.com
kiwifarms.net

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Level 25: The Singularity
Level 25: The Singularity

Re: Unlawful website blocking

DMCA is a piece of legislation in the USA and has no application in Australia, so your argument basically collapses there.

Also, as far as the community being outraged, that is a bit of a stretch. Firmware update timings have attracted far more commentary than this issue.
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Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Australian Federal court ruling demanding ISP's to block websites like PirateBay say otherwise.

Level 25: The Singularity
Level 25: The Singularity

Re: Unlawful website blocking

That is not part of DMCA, that is part of Australian Copyright Law. Totally different legislation, for one, it is Australian.

 

Plus, a ruling from the Federal Court under the Australian Copyright Law only forces ISPs to block sites.

 

ISPs still retain the right to block sites that are deemed to carry illegal or highly offensive materials. It would be up to the sites to request that the blocking be removed, or for a court order in Australia to be obtained to force the ISPs to allow access to the site.

Never be afraid to back yourself when trying new things, just always make sure you have 3 escape routes if things go wrong.
Luke45
Level 3: Gumshoe

Re: Unlawful website blocking

These websites are only blocked at the DNS level, because it's cheap, easy, and effective for the vast majority of users.. The internet is a global platform. 

United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (revised June 2016)
Article 19)
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
http:www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/) 

Why you're using an Australian ISP's DNS is beyond me. You'll gain the full internet, and a performance boost, by changing to a better DNS. Change it at the router level to Cloudflare (1.1.1.1 primary, and 1.1.1.1 secondary), or another international DNS with a good reputation.

dct
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Welcome to Fascism 101
dct
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Just use a VPN to get around the illegal blocking
Luke45
Level 3: Gumshoe

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I'd call it communism, not fascism. A VPN is a great solution, but a DNS change is far easier for the average user.

Choc_Wish
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I agree. No isp should be choosing what I can and cannot have access too. They provide access for payment AND THAT'S IT! I'm not interested in their opinion of what's "safe".
tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Has anybody asked Telstra to cancel their plan because they are blocking sites now simply based on their perceptions of "offensive material" I can't access bitchute now so it seems to me that they are not providing the product I signed up to so want my plan cancelled. I'll put in a request to telstra but imagine it will go nowhere, so will have to wait to contract expires in November.

With so many of my favorite channels being booted of Youtube now due to left wing censorship, I've no choice but to go to bitchute.
Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

They are in breach of multiple laws and if you request they terminate your contract without exit fees they will have to do it.

Don’t give them any extra money especially when they don’t deserve it.
tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

OK. Thanks for your reply. I just asked to terminate my contract through online chat and explained that it was because they were blocking access to various lawful websites that I want to access. Telstra said that I had to pay early termination fees. I explained that they are taking my money but not providing the service that I pay for and the sites they are blocking are breaking no Australian laws and are not being blocked due to any legal order from any Australian Court or appropriate body. Telstra said that NZ gov deems hosting the video of Christchurch massacre a criminal offence so therefore they can act, which is ridiculous. I have never watched that video and don't want to watch it. Dam moralising censors. Give me my ISP service or cancel my contract without penalty. Telstra must be breaching basic consumer laws? Surely?
Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Telstra is blocking not only consumer rights laws but human rights ones as well.

They will eventually be exposed and when they do expect a huge backlash from everyone.
tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Its ridiculous. I never thought that I'd live to see the day that relatively mainstream sites that I want to visit like bitchute are banned by my ISP in Australia. I don't want to give my money to any authoritarian business that disregards my rights to access legal sites. Telstra does not make laws, that is for the Parliaments and they don't interpret laws, that is for the Courts. Left wing authoritarian crusaders think they are saving us from evil but they will open the floodgates to authoritarian repression in our country. It must me opposed vigorously. We fought wars to protect us from Communism and Fascism but now Telstra is the "Ministry of Approved Thought and Information" God help us. I just installed a VPN so can now get to my sites no problems but that is not the point. This is Australia- No Fascist/Communist blocking of the internet.
Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I know how you feel, if Telstra continues this we will be the next North Korea.
Luke45
Level 3: Gumshoe

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Just change your DNS, problem solved. Here is how to change your PC DNS, but you'll really want to change your router DNS, ultimately. You'll have to Google that, as each model is different.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-change-dns-windows-mac-osx/

 

Telstra has no choice but to follow this illegal federal law. Every other ISP has to adhere to this law too. I'm not sure you'll have a leg to stand on, trying to terminate early on those grounds.


Tisshy
Level 5: Eagle Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

That may be correct Luke but no law has been broken and no law requires them to block these websites.

Telstra is doing this on their own and hasn’t been told to do it by court or law enforcement team.
Luke45
Level 3: Gumshoe

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I stand corrected. From what I could find, only piracy sites were banned under federal law. What's your excuse, Telstra?

But seriously, using an ISP DNS is, at best, going to result in suboptimal performance. Just be glad the majority of the community don't even know what a DNS is, otherwise we'd see a far more effective blockade of sites, than this lazy DNS method.
tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Thanks Luke. Yes, I installed a VPN and it allows me access to any site I want, but that technical solution does not nullify Telstra's self appointed censor in chief. Where is this going to stop? Are they going to now block all the sites the Chinese Communist Gov deems to be "illegal" supposedly like the NZ Gov deemed any site hosting Christchurch Massacre footage to be "illegal".
If Telstra's new censorship policy is to ban any site deemed illegal by any other Country then welcome to a Communist/Fascist Propaganda Internet, courtesy of Telstra. It is unwise for Telstra to get into the voluntary censorship game as their bread and butter should be provided unfiltered access to the internet subject to Australian law only as this is Australia as we are not a franchise of the globalist elite just yet, but it seems Telstra is keen to get the ball rolling.
Jonnydecay
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

feels like I am living under a
communist regime my freedom to even hear ideas is getting taken away.
David175
Level 1: Cadet

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I got a call from Telstra telling me that the NBN monopoly had reached my area and I would be disconnected in a few months if I did not sign up for NBN.

 

I had a very frank and open discussion with the dude about my displeasure at the censorship.

He saw my point and mentioned that several other ISPs have done this too. So it looks like I will be leaving Telstra. Does anyone have a list of ISPs who did not decide to censor the internet?

tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I did read in the mainstream media that vodaphone and optus initially said that it would not be banning of the sites that Telstra did in response to the NZ shooting, however, within a day they had fallen into line and also blocked same Telstra possibly in fear of rumblings from Parliamentarians about further regulation.  However, I'd prefer regulation through Parliament because it is codified and transparent rather than self censorship by ISPs as that just becomes opaque Orwellian censorship which can easily be abused.

TheJackal1
Level 1: Cadet

Re: Unlawful website blocking

OK, well, Telstra I will be ceasing using your service if you don't connect bitchute. Youtube is rightly dying because it sees itself as some censor of extremely moderate material. so you will lose my mobile and home broadband service if you keep it up. As a business decision it is stupid. Bitchute is the next thing..

 

MarkVenom
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

The censorship is wrong, period. There is never a need for censorship unless one wants to control the thinking of broad masses. If you tell me otherwise you are insanely naive.

 

Thus this needs to be opposed. I constantly have to VPN Bitchute. ISPs are so lame.

'But the mainstream won't get it, hahhaa!' WRONG! Give it one or two years and the majority of folks will use VPNs to connect and browse. Mark my words. 

 

Peace.

MarkVenom
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Yeah well Telstra doesn't give a **bleep**. And they are all under one big cozy blanket the Telstras and Vodafones and Googles and Youtubes of this world. Stop being so naive.

DannyFitzgerald
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I use www.bitchute.com alot and if Telstra does not unblock the site soon I am shutting down my phone and internet account with telstra, I will not be paying early cancellation fees either.

DannyFitzgerald
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

I use the Bitchute website all the time, it telstra does not unblock access to it I will be shutting down my internet and phone accounts with telstra, i will not pay early termination fees either.

tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Telstra will never unblock bitchute and other no censorship sites because they are demanding that those sites censor certain material relating to NZ shooting first, but which won't ever happen because by nature they are non-censoring.  This ridiculous situation in effect means that Telstra, as an ISP, will voluntarily, not compulsorily by law, block all non-censoring lawful platforms.  Perhaps Telstra is preparing to do business in China or expecting China to take over Australia?  This is the problem with censorship, once you start its a rapid slippery slope to a full on thought police unit like exists in China today.  You will have to sign up for a vpn service to get bitchute.

Sikofit
Level 2: Rookie

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Amazing that youtube can still have videos with pictures of the twin towers being incinerated and thousands of people dying, and still be available in both Australia and the country where the PM wears a hijab.

Yet Bitchute is banned for use in both countries. 

Is Telstra in Australia becoming a publisher, determining what we can or can't see ??

Telstra has made it political by enforcing propaganda onto subscribers. So I can't watch 'Black Pigeon Speaks' but 'the young turks' is OK !!!!

Level 21: Augmented
Level 21: Augmented

Re: Unlawful website blocking


@DannyFitzgerald wrote:

I use the Bitchute website all the time, it telstra does not unblock access to it I will be shutting down my internet and phone accounts with telstra, i will not pay early termination fees either.


@Tisshy You better be fully aware of your facts before going down that road. Failure to pay ETC's can end you up with a bad credit rating. 

 

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Slothman
Level 1: Cadet

Re: Unlawful website blocking

This is why, after 15 years of loyalty to Telstra that I plan to change providers. I have a history of over $250 a month in Telstra services that I recently bought back to $150 a month by changing internet provider. Next is my phone. I pay for a service not somone else's ideas on what I can and can't see. I've never once been interested in this supposed "far right" extremists content. I've never even seen it. But far left extremists are flourishing and I'm a lefty. I voted green or labor all my life but somehow my side has gone censorious and totalitarian. I'm disgusted and scared of the implications of this Orwellian ideology of censor and ban.
Luke45
Level 3: Gumshoe

Re: Unlawful website blocking

"far right" doesn't mean far right anymore. Any conservative or anti-communist is labelled "far right".. People who call conservatives "far right" are usually radicalised.socialists.

tony212
Level 4: Private Eye

Re: Unlawful website blocking

Actually you don't need a VPN but rather you can just not use Telstra's DNS servers.  I use cloudflare for DNS now and it is excellent and totally free and as Telstra's censorship is done at the DNS level this will allow you to go whichever site you want because Telstra is not doing the DNS.

Level 21: Augmented
Level 21: Augmented

Re: Unlawful website blocking


@tony212 wrote:

Actually you don't need a VPN but rather you can just not use Telstra's DNS servers.  I use cloudflare for DNS now and it is excellent and totally free and as Telstra's censorship is done at the DNS level this will allow you to go whichever site you want because Telstra is not doing the DNS.


@tony212 Yes, @Luke45 mentioned that above back in March.

 

Funny enough, I have been using Cloudfare for awhile now because I get DNS issues trying to log in to Crowd Support with Telstra's own DNS servers. All the sites Telstra blocks doesn't worry me as I never go to them anyway.

 

Also, no idea where/how Telstra hosts their DNS servers but I don't think they are fast enough with the amount of customers they have these days.

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